Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

[Skybuck Flying]

Hello,

The question is:

Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

How can you be sure ? It's closed source software.

It's downloading all kinds of crap via Windows Update.

Having childporn on your computer is a crime and can result into jail time.

I think it is safe to say that the era of closed source software is OVER.

You are responsible for what is on your computer !!!!!!!!!

Bye,
Skybuck.

[trolling tone]

Post by Skybuck Flying
Hello,
Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!
How can you be sure ? It's closed source software.
It's downloading all kinds of crap via Windows Update.
Having childporn on your computer is a crime and can result into jail time.
I think it is safe to say that the era of closed source software is OVER.
You are responsible for what is on your computer !!!!!!!!!
Bye,
Skybuck.

User agent Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308
LOL

[Juha Nieminen]

Post by Skybuck Flying
Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

No, because Microsoft is too smart to commit economical suicide.

If a troyan/virus is doing so, that's not on Microsoft.

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[Steve Hayes]

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"

Post by Skybuck Flying
Hello,
Is Microsoft Windows secretly downloading childporn to your computer ?!

You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
say is obviously not worth readin.

[Keith Thompson]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 03:19:39 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"

Post by Skybuck Flying
Is Microsoft

[snip]

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.
Since you don't even know that much about computers, anything else you
say is obviously not worth readin.

Nor is it worth replying to. *Please* don't feed the troll.

(Followups set.)

[Skybuck Flying]

It's not YOU doing it.

Since you obviously don't understand that it's not worth reading anything
else you wrote LOL.

Bye,
Skybuck.

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Skybuck Flying
It's not YOU doing it.
Since you obviously don't understand that it's not worth reading anything
else you wrote LOL.

If this crap is really happening to you, take your harddrive out and burn it
into fuc%ing dust!

Do it NOW!

[Juha Nieminen]

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

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[Richard Heathfield]

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a
smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a
smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server
or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

If the devices are of comparable size and power, you aren't upping or
downing anything - you're just transferring data from one computer to
another. I suppose we could say "crossloading"?

[Grant Edwards]

Post by Richard Heathfield

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a
smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a
smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server
or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
with network topology than CPU power. Servers on the internet are at
the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
middle.

[Steve Hayes]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:20:13 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by Richard Heathfield

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a
smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a
smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server
or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
with network topology than CPU power. Servers on the internet are at
the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
middle.

In my usage it all has to do with sending and receiving, like
immigration and emigration.

I UPload photos from my cell phone to Facebook.

I DOWNload photos from my cell phone to my desktop computer.

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:21:45 +0200, Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:20:13 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards

Post by Grant Edwards

Post by Richard Heathfield

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the term has always been that you upload from a
smaller device to a larger, and download from a larger device to a
smaller. Thus, from your laptop you might *up*load data to a Web server
or a mainframe, but you would *down*load data to your phone or tablet.

That's sort of the usage I'm used to, but it probably has more to do
with network topology than CPU power. Servers on the internet are at
the top of the diagram, and embedded devices that can't access the
internet directly are at the bottom with my PC somewhere in the
middle.

In my usage it all has to do with sending and receiving, like
immigration and emigration.
I UPload photos from my cell phone to Facebook.
I DOWNload photos from my cell phone to my desktop computer.

To which I will add that uploading is sending, and downloading is
fetching.

So saying that Microsoft downloaded something to my computer is like
saying that someone fetched me a ltter when they actually sent it.

[Les Cargill]

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

Down is towards an end node; up is towards the backbone. Servers
live closer to the backbone. Usually. Or rather did when the
nomenclature was forged.

[Grant Edwards]

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

Down is towards an end node; up is towards the backbone. Servers live
closer to the backbone. Usually. Or rather did when the nomenclature
was forged.

Exactly! Thats the usage I've been used to for the past 30 years.

[glen herrmannsfeldt]

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

As well as I know it, the term originated near the beginning of the
microcomputer era, when data would be downloaded from a larger
computer to a smaller one, or uploaded from a small computer to a
larger one. There is an assumption of a big server and a small
local machine. (The server may be a large server farm with many
small computers, the size being aggregate.)


Early machines weren't big enough to run an assembler, so it was
done with a cross assembler on a bigger machine and downloaded.

So, in the case of a hacker, it depends on the size of your computer
and the size of the computer where the data is coming from.

There should also be size independent terms like transfer and copy.

-- glen

[Keith Thompson]

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

My understanding of the word "downloading" has always been STOP FEEDING
THE TROLL!

[Chris in Makati]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 +0000 (UTC), Juha Nieminen

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.

[David Brown]

Post by Chris in Makati
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 +0000 (UTC), Juha Nieminen

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.

You are posting to a wide range of international newsgroups (with this
thread being way off-topic for all of them...). It makes no sense to
talk about "the law", because this is not something covered by
/international/ law.

What counts as "child porn", what counts as "possession", how relevant
intention, knowledge, etc., is, varies enormously from country to
country. Even if the OP is telling the truth (and if Skybuck said that
grass is green, I'd recommend going outside to check), and he gets
caught with this stuff on his machine, punishments can vary from "it's
fine as long as you don't distribute it" to "25 years for each picture,
to be served consecutively".

[Juha Nieminen]

Post by Chris in Makati
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 +0000 (UTC), Juha Nieminen

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.

Most judiciary systems are not robots following a narrow set of instructions.
If they determine that it wasn't your fault, they will not punish the
innocent.

Besides, how would they even know what's in your computer?

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[Chris in Makati]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:16:32 +0000 (UTC), Juha Nieminen

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Chris in Makati
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:57:44 +0000 (UTC), Juha Nieminen

Post by Juha Nieminen

Post by Steve Hayes
You download things FROM a computer, you upload them TO a computer.

It's a matter of perspective. If a hacker breaks into your computer and
starts a download from somewhere else into your computer, isn't the hacker
"downloading" things to your computer?

Does it matter? As far as the law is concerned, it is possession of
child porn that's illegal. How it got there is irrelevant.

Most judiciary systems are not robots following a narrow set of instructions.
If they determine that it wasn't your fault, they will not punish the
innocent.
Besides, how would they even know what's in your computer?

If you do a Google search for <child porn arrested> you will find
literally thousands of cases where raids have taken place and people
have been found with this material on their computers.

In many of these cases the authorities have traced the IP addresses of
people whose computers have made connections to known sites that host
child porn. It's no use trying to claim that a bot you weren't aware
of downloaded it without your knowledge. If you could get off the hook
that easily everybody who was interested in the stuff would
deliberately install such a bot and use that as an excuse.